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Man and Woman, One in Christ 18 (Final)

Philip Payne’s Man and Woman, One in Christ is, I believe, the most comprehensive treatment of Pauline texts in relation to men and women in the life of the church.  The reader will benefit from a steady and close reading of each of the twenty five chapters with their Bible open.  The interaction with the Greek text may be off putting for some readers, but there is ample explanation for those not acquainted with Greek grammar and differences in manuscripts.

Clearly the matter of women’s roles in the Church has become a most contentious issue, particularly in the last few decades.  In my own journey, it was my wrestling with Scripture that gradually moved me from a complementarian position (that I grew up with) to an equality of men and women, in all respects, including public ministry in the Church.

As I read and studied, pondered and prayed about ‘women’s ministry’, I:

  • noted numerous instances of sloppy exegesis by proponents on both sides of the debate;
  • became increasingly concerned that this matter has become, in some quarters, to be a prominent test of orthodoxy;
  • reflected back on my own experience of growing up in complementarian churches, where a whole set of man-made rules, about what women could and could not do in public ministry (that bore simply zero connection with Scripture), were the accepted doctrinal infrastructure.  Interestingly, in churches that spoke loud and often about the authority of Scripture;
  • recognised that in our frailty, the struggle to live out sola Scriptura and semper reformanda is very real.

Philip Payne has made an enormous contribution to this tragically contentious issue in the Church. How significant will it be in bringing greater unity on this issue?  I’m not overly confident, if the concluding words in Tom Schreiner’s review of the book in the April edition of Themelios are anything to go by:

“Most of what [Philip Payne] says is not new, and his egalitarian readings are unpersuasive. Surely he will convince some, for many in our culture today ardently desire egalitarianism to be true. But it will not hit the scholarly world like an avalanche. It is closer to being another drizzly day in Portland, Oregon.”

Wow!!  I do trust that Philip Payne finds his encouragement in Christ and not in book reviews!

The Holy Spirit speaks only truth and God does not contradict Himself.  The complementarian and egalitarian readings of Scripture cannot both be correct.  The challenge for all followers of Jesus is to roll-up our ‘Bible reading shirt sleeves’ and seek to hear what the Holy Spirit is saying, notwithstanding the baggage that we all bring to biblical interpretation.

The full list of my posts on Man and Woman, One in Christ are:

Introduction

Chapter One: Backgrounds to Paul’s Teaching Regarding Man and Woman

Chapter Two: Women Paul Names as Ministry Leaders

Chapter Three: Paul’s Theological Axioms Imply the Equality of Man and Woman

Chapter Four: Galations 3:28: Man and Woman: One in Christ

Chapter Five: 1 Corinthians 7: The Equal Rights of Man and Woman in Marriage

Chapters Six and Seven: 1 Cor 11:2-3

Chapters Eight and Nine: 1 Cor 11:4-6

Chapters Ten to Thirteen: 1 Cor 11:7-16

Chapter Fourteen: 1 Cor 14:34-35

Chapter Fifteen: Eph 5:21-33

Chapter Sixteen: 1 Tim 2:8-15 Introduction

Chapters Seventeen to Nineteen: 1 Tim 2:8-12

Chapter Twenty: 1 Tim 2:12 on ‘assume authority’

Chapter Twenty One: 1 Tim 2:13-14

Chapter Twenty Two: 1 Tim 2:15

Chapter Twenty Three: 1 Tim 2:8-15 Conclusion

Chapter Twenty Four: 1 Timothy 3:1-13 and Titus 1:5-9: May Women be Overseers and Deacons?

Chapter Twenty Five: Conclusion: Paul Consistently Champions the Equality of Man and Woman in Christ

  1. Anthea McCall
    July 29th, 2010 at 18:34 | #1

    Hi Rod,
    I came across your blog whilst I was googling Philip Payne in order to track down the name of this book, which had been recommended at CBE and also by a friend and scholar who read it through in three days! Anyhow, I went and bought it today from Ridley bookshop. I appreciate your intro page on your blog re this book and I must admit i am disheartened by Schreiner’s comment in his review. I’m sure I have that tendency as well to close off if something doesnt concur with my own view, but it is indeed something we all need to fight in order to strive for the truth. God help us.

  2. July 29th, 2010 at 19:34 | #2

    Hi Anthea,
    To read the book in 3 days – now that is something! Man and Woman: One in Christ is impressive biblical scholarship – whether one signs-off on every exegetical conclusion drawn by Payne or not. To dismiss it lightly is, as you rightly say, disheartening.

  3. August 28th, 2010 at 09:52 | #3

    Dear Rod,
    Thank you for your many kind and insightful comments regarding Man and Woman, One in Christ. I have just posted a thorough critique at http://www.pbpayne.com of Professor Schreiner’s more extensive review of my book he published in JBMW (Spring 2010) 33-46. My critique identifies ten welcome acknowledgments Schreiner makes that many complementarians refuse to make, but it also identifies eighty-one misrepresentations of Man and Woman, One in Christ and forty-one additional dubious statements he makes.
    Anyone can order an autographed copy of Man and Woman, One in Christ for US $17.75 (list is $29.99) at http://www.pbpayne.com, where you can also download free the complete 254 page bibliography and various articles I have published in journals such as NTS and NovT.
    May I please have your permission to quote from your posts on my web site and provide a link to yours? Blessings on you!
    In the joy of the Lord,
    Philip B. Payne

  4. August 28th, 2010 at 21:13 | #4

    Hi Philip,
    Delighted to have you link to these posts.
    Warm regards,
    Rod

  5. Joseph
    October 20th, 2010 at 03:33 | #5

    I do not think Schreiner’s review maligns Payne. It is a fair review, and its spirit was one of charity in the midst of disagreement.

  6. d
    May 19th, 2011 at 11:16 | #6

    i was just online looking for reviews of this book. thanks for posting this review!

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